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Post by TACP_REAPER on Tue Mar 16, 2010 1:41 am

fastest way into one? Are they worth the risk?

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Post by MasonShadows on Tue Mar 16, 2010 3:40 am

480V drill with a diamond tipped bit. about 3/4 inch. That will get you into the safe though the drill will smoke a bit and it will be loud as fuck. Now unless you have alot of time with it your not going to be able to do it. Also now Your a FAGGOT! Acolyte!

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Post by Guest on Tue Mar 16, 2010 5:05 am

Get a pickup truck and a winch. Rip the thing off the ground, drive away with it and sort out getting the cash later.

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Post by dontcallmeinsane on Tue Mar 16, 2010 5:09 am

The people that have succeeded have blown open the ATMs with gas that they feed into the ATM's internal workings. They then grab the money and run.
The people that have tried knocking over the ATMs and getting them onto the back of utes/into vans have usually given up and bailed on the idea.

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Post by TACP_REAPER on Tue Mar 16, 2010 10:06 pm

so they are an utter pain in the ass eh? figured as much, what about the smaller non secured ones? I know total amount is less, but less secure than the large bank ones?

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Post by TexassaxeT on Tue Mar 16, 2010 10:21 pm

Dress up like a worker from the bank that owns the atm, come in with an out of order sign and take it for maintenance. bam

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Post by TACP_REAPER on Tue Mar 16, 2010 10:25 pm

i like the way you think texas

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Post by Big Bad Blimp on Wed Mar 17, 2010 11:13 pm

most of those ATM's are tamper proof and will throw ink all over the money, and maybe you, wear some protective clothes unless you want to look like the missing member of the blue man group

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Post by TACP_REAPER on Wed Mar 17, 2010 11:26 pm

lmao, I'll take that under consideration

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Post by speters17 on Thu Mar 18, 2010 1:05 am

drill is way too hard and too fucking obvious. pulling it away rarely works unless you either have a lorry or a fucking strong truck, and even then the chain or bumper usually breaks rather than the atm. they are set deep in fucking concrete and steel.

pretending to be the maintenance guy is literally retarded. you think they don't check that shit? you will have to go through like 100 security things for them to be sure you're legit.

basically, it's going to need something fairly special. they are designed not to be stolen after all.

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Post by MasonShadows on Thu Mar 18, 2010 2:55 am

I did think about this for a while. A winch would have enough force to rip one out, or apart. If you can hook the ATM somewhere you would either rip it out or apart. You will need a good winch though or your car will be pulled towards it. Make sure it can pull tonnes and you should be fine. A stumping winch would work perfectly. They are made for pulling out big stumps out of the ground and can pull at about 10 tonnes of force if you have the right set up. This will easily rip open or apart an ATM also part of the wall it is in.
if can get this kind of set up you will be able to do it relatively quickly and get away before police arrive. Though no plates is a good idea as ATMs have cameras.

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Post by TACP_REAPER on Thu Mar 18, 2010 3:53 am

so I either drag it away... drill into it for more time than I will probably have... if I use explosives I will toss dye over my money... hmmm..... what if I cut out the back of the casing and remove the cash box? there must be a way....

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Post by MasonShadows on Thu Mar 18, 2010 4:12 am

The back is inside the bank. but you could hack into the machine it is suprisingly easy and the coding behind is a sinch

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Post by TACP_REAPER on Thu Mar 18, 2010 4:39 am

I was talking about the little "wheel me away" ones, how would you go about hacking the atm?

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Post by MasonShadows on Thu Mar 18, 2010 4:53 am

It really depends on what type of atm because i am sure they dont all use the same security systems. But you can do it will a device with a numberpad and a card attached to the end. I saw a thing about a guy on the news who did it in the UK and he found out how to do it on google. maybe give that a shot?

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Post by Murder Mouse on Thu Mar 18, 2010 8:58 am

MasonShadows wrote:The back is inside the bank. but you could hack into the machine it is suprisingly easy and the coding behind is a sinch

Sure if you're plenty familiar with Windows XP Embedded or CE it's easy to fuck around with the OS configs and such, but that doesn't translate to telling the OS "open up and give me all the fucking money". For that matter all the peripheral ports have about as much security as the money itself so breaking through all that to throw in your own code would be retarded. Though by all means correct me if you think it's that easy. Rolling Eyes

Basically the best chance you have of hacking an ATM is with an angle grinder and a chunk of luck on your side.

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Post by grayboy on Thu Mar 18, 2010 3:51 pm

Just fucking pull it out with a big truck, its what British criminals do ;)
The Johnson Crime family specialised in it, they would come along, hook it up, drive off, take the cash and disappear into the night Smile

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Post by Gallows on Thu Mar 18, 2010 5:04 pm

Here is what I would do:

I would target an ATM far away from the police station in a small town. I would have friends with unactivated cell phones call 911 around the time of the crime. I think I could probably buy an extra 20 minutes this way. Then, I would arrive at the ATM and use two shaped charges, spaced about a foot apart, and pointing at the machine at a 45 degree angle. With a little luck, an entry point to the cash would be made OR the structure would damaged enough to the point where I could pry my way to the cash.

After I was in possession of the cash, I'd probably try and hide it somewhere(woods, lake, etc). I think this would be a safer bet than trying to run with it. The clever alibi is always better than the high speed chase.

Of course, all this is easier said than done, but it's the best I can come up with.

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Post by Zaffron on Thu Mar 18, 2010 8:01 pm

lol you can find how to make C4 with google from multiple sources and you can put it all together. For example, howstuffworks.com has a thing on c4 and talks about all the ingredients in it Very Happy

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Post by TACP_REAPER on Thu Mar 18, 2010 10:29 pm

cheers

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Post by grayboy on Fri Mar 19, 2010 5:38 am

The good thing about the ATM thing is you can do it at night Smile

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Post by Dilzo on Fri Mar 19, 2010 5:46 pm

Some banks shut down the ATM's and remove the money during the night. Also any breaches in the building that can set off the alarm e.g. breaking glass or IR sensor will instantly call the police. Explosives are likely to blow the machine apart and spew what little money remains across the street.

Although my opinion and understanding is in no way expert in the matter, Robbing ATM's are generally a damm near impossible task with the time constraints you are likely to encounter due to alarms and possible patroling police/security.

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Post by XDW on Fri Mar 19, 2010 6:01 pm

Dilzo wrote:Some banks shut down the ATM's and remove the money during the night. Also any breaches in the building that can set off the alarm e.g. breaking glass or IR sensor will instantly call the police. Explosives are likely to blow the machine apart and spew what little money remains across the street.

Although my opinion and understanding is in no way expert in the matter, Robbing ATM's are generally a damm near impossible task with the time constraints you are likely to encounter due to alarms and possible patroling police/security.
So fucking this.

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Post by $Mike09 on Fri Mar 19, 2010 10:04 pm

forget it
why the fuck was this brought back anyway?
follow my advice you will end up dead.


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Post by auronkia on Fri Mar 19, 2010 11:12 pm




ta-da

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Post by MasonShadows on Sat Mar 20, 2010 2:15 am

^Steal Caravans and RVs?

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Post by grayboy on Sat Mar 20, 2010 2:36 am

Its hard but not impossible, these guys did it ;
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article4471587.ece

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Post by PuppetMaster on Sat Mar 20, 2010 2:56 am

Zaffron wrote:lol you can find how to make C4 with google from multiple sources and you can put it all together. For example, howstuffworks.com has a thing on c4 and talks about all the ingredients in it Very Happy

Zaff is right. I made a post a while back about plastic explosive construction. If you want in to something such as an ATM, I would recommend explosives. ATMs are build right into the foundation of the bank (unless you are talking about debit machines that they have in randoms spots) and all a winch and truck would do is pull off the face plate, maybe a bit more.
As for as going for it or not, I would say no. Although less fun, you could make more money panhandling than trying to break into an ATM machine. Wait around in a middle class part of town, close to an ATM machine, and beg if you really need the money.

Otherwise, in a hypothetical story book setting, holding up a convince store would be a lot easier and a lesser risk, the only problem is you wont get to much money. If you're looking for a one timer thing, or only to go every so often, I would say medium sized bank robbery. Not a full on heist, just a subtle armed robbery. If you want to know about banks.. for a science project, I might be able to help.

But this thread isn't about alternative methods of getting money.
The ADM machine is designed very well.. its not just a safe. Even if you found a place to attach a winch, what would you do to it? Pull off a face plate?
I recommend plastic explosives with secondary, delayed charges. If you're going to create an IED, a pipe bomb wont do damage (its more of an anti personal IED) and dynamite of enough magnitude to break though would probably blow a hole though the building. With the right amount of C4, you could blow the casing off, then with secondary charge, blow into the vault.

But owait! the money isn't in the ATM machine.. its in the vault behind it. The ATM, from street view is VERY thick. from the back, inside the building, it is thinner and has a door for accessing the computer, paper and cables. There are cassettes that hold all the cash and hold about 25000 each so if you managed to get in, you would be about 100,000 dolla from a large sized ATM. There are a lot of 'guts' in the ATM machine that you would have to to though to get to the money. The plate itself is thin, in fact once i was they were doing maintenance on the machine and it ate my card.. I heard someone on the other side so I called to him.. he opened up a little hatch and asked if i lost my card.. i replied yes and he handed it to me.

So if you blew, smashed, or winched it off, you would break into the building, set off the alarm and send the police running. You then would have little time to lay charges on the safe itself and would be better off blowing into the inner safe, attaching a winch to it, ripping it out, somehow lifting it into a truck, then opening it when you get home.
This would not be an OP mission or a quite one.. you would make a fucking racket and probably have everyone on that street looking at you, then soon enough the police.

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Post by auronkia on Sat Mar 20, 2010 8:18 pm

MasonShadows wrote:^Steal Caravans and RVs?
no its a 6 wheel drive ford f-450 superduty it can pull over 24,000 pounds

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Post by hex535 on Sat Mar 20, 2010 8:23 pm

there are better ways to use ATMs to your advantage. they have pieces you can buy, and inconspicuously attach to the card slot of the ATM.

they grab the credit card number, and all the information and everything.

you just need to be careful about some of the newer ATMs, because they have cameras always focused on them, or built right into the machine.

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Post by Infernus on Sat Mar 20, 2010 8:28 pm

Laughing

The technology behind them is rather sad actually, Windows CE Very Happy

They also use standard TCP/IP.

This means nothing to many, but to a guy who knew a guy who had a friend who knew a guy that used that last remote 'dows exploit to gain admin on a few hundred. Im told by said friend of a guy of a guy that he is currently biding his time waiting for the perfect time to spill its contents forth into awaiting cars trucks and vans.

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Post by Infernus on Sat Mar 20, 2010 8:30 pm

Oh and to add a bit, Some run XP as well, giving it OVER 9000 tried and true exploit paths.

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Post by hex535 on Sat Mar 20, 2010 8:32 pm

$Mike09 wrote:silenced 50 cal sniper rifle

get as big of a muzzle suppressor you want, it barely does anything in silencing that bullet. it'll still wake your neighbors, and the impact into the machine would be ridiculously loud.

not to mention that, unless you get your hands on the tracer round, or the incendiary round, you aren't going to penetrate to much, as those fuckers are thick.

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Post by PuppetMaster on Sat Mar 20, 2010 9:18 pm

Muzzle breaks make the gun so fucking loud.. you'll wake up the whole city lol.

Do what hex said, make a card scanner. A lot of gangs do this around here.

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Post by Infernus on Sat Mar 20, 2010 9:28 pm

muzzle suppresor, not brake -_-

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Post by PuppetMaster on Sat Mar 20, 2010 9:42 pm

Oh lol, didn't read it properly.. yeah.
But then why use a suppressor? No one is going to be out at 3 in the morning and think "wtf, whats that flashing? I should call the cops" If anything they'll hear it then call the police.
If you're going to the trouble to buy guns and a suppressor, dont, and if you do, buy a silencer instead.. but shooting it will literally do nothing.

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Post by Infernus on Sat Mar 20, 2010 10:08 pm

Um...

Alright.

Suppresor is for sound.
Brake is for recoil and ... sorta flash.

I agree that a gun wont do anything, and even with a suppressor, a 50 cal will do nothing. This is one of those, attack the tech things. Heck, picking the lock might be an option.

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Post by PuppetMaster on Sat Mar 20, 2010 10:14 pm

Yeah i know, and a suppressor is also for flash.
Im just going to say dont bother. Explosives, guns, and trucks shouldn't be waisted on an ATM.. unless you have found a weakness in them that is a guaranteed access to the money.
I still stand by my first statement, C4, but dont bother.
There are other, easier ways to obtain money. you could even hold up someone who's about to make a withdrawal.

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Post by Guest on Sat Mar 20, 2010 10:47 pm

How about a thermal lance? Your money might be burnt Mad

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Post by TACP_REAPER on Sun Mar 21, 2010 2:31 am

isn't the money stored in cassets? like a vending machine, only larger and reversed, or like a hopper for a paint ball gun? wouldn't those protect from a little heat from the thermal lance as long as it wasn't prolonged?

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Post by Infernus on Sun Mar 21, 2010 12:19 pm

Guts of an atm



Just the cash dispenser part:



IRL Pictures to back up 3d model:





Seems to me its not as uber secure as people think

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Post by TACP_REAPER on Sun Mar 21, 2010 9:29 pm

I really do think those cassets would actually provide enough of a thermal barrier from a thermic lance, if you cut a wide enough window around it for the bottom photo.

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Post by PuppetMaster on Sun Mar 21, 2010 11:01 pm

Yeah, you should be able to cut it without incinerating the cash. If you have access to a thermic lance, i should hope you have the know how to use it.

And as for breaking in, I just talked to a guy I know, they have dye markers and smoke canisters in them when it suffers from a trauma.
He also told me that the most common way of robbery is just to hold up someone checking out money. And if you're still set on smashing the safe to bits, he said one group filled all openings with silicon, then injected a combustible gas into the system, then ignited it.
Also, like I said, he said explosives are commonly use and very effective to not only get in, but get rid of all the wiring crap and guts.

What i would do is get about no more than a pound of C4 or if you could get your hands on some M183. I would hack the ATM apart with an ax as far as i could then stuff it with the C4. Then use the ax to clear out any other obstacles. You dont want to over do it, but I would say about 1.10 pound charge, and a .50 pound secondary charge to clear out the rest of the shit.. maybe even less of a secondary charge because you dont want to blow up the cassettes.

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Post by TACP_REAPER on Sun Mar 21, 2010 11:22 pm

www.popsci.com/bacon

this cracks me up, but you can just make one...
would be nice to get a real one.... I know someone said somewhere something about a thermite clay? I think it was modeling clay loaded with thermite, but what if you hypothetically could make a clay or putty out of it, then the burning would be isolated to the outer door where the heat would potentially degrade the integrity of the metal... maybe make it brittle for quick axe work?

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Post by Infernus on Mon Mar 22, 2010 12:36 am

Thermite clay is Four Parts Thermite and One part clay of some sort.

That thermal lance.. if i dare call it that would not hit 5000F... it miught hit... mayb e 2 or three thousand degrees and will be consumed every minute or two, meaning you have to act FAST.

A real thermal lance using magn esium rods and iron will hit 7kF or so. Hot enough to melt rock...

For cutting into an atm, I would use an oxyhydrogen torch, with an optimal mixture of 4:1 H:O, it can reach 4000 degrees and can run off of water, baking soda and electricity, big bonus is, its non consumable, or rather, a nice tank of both lasts a LONG time, much longer than those sticks of bacoin :p

Anotehr option is a DIY plasma cutter, coming in around 250$

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Post by TACP_REAPER on Mon Mar 22, 2010 3:32 am

I was joking about the bacon thing, found it to be quite funny, DIY plasma cutter would be a bit bulky eh? either way just a thought in progress

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Post by MasonShadows on Mon Mar 22, 2010 3:43 am

All I can say now it hydrofluric acid.

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Post by $Mike09 on Thu Mar 25, 2010 10:08 pm

forget it
why the fuck was this brought back anyway?
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Post by TACP_REAPER on Thu Mar 25, 2010 10:20 pm

expensive... unless you steal the forklift

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Post by TACP_REAPER on Tue Apr 06, 2010 1:55 am

**BUMP**
would it be possible to pick the lock?

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